Wow, okay Vage and I see very differently on this topic. I don't want to ruin a guild, I want to merge guilds. HE wants to destroy reckoning. I want Vox to be up on the charts and get somewhere. He just plays Jaid's toon and hopes he can cause a riot.
Was I content that my toons were all unguilded when I came home Saturday night? Not really. It irritated me actually.
The people who did just post about how stupid Vage is, and how stupid I am.. are correct. He did go about this the wrong way and I have to pay the consequences because I let him on my character. However, I know a lot of the better players in Reckoning do agree with what I have posted on these boards.
For the record, you can't compare anything to The Chosen. That was 3 or 4 good solid players, and the rest kindred (helmets). My dream is to get 24 solid players. That won't happen with the stubborn family praising people on Vox.
Joined: Mar 04, 2006 Posts: 1036 Location: New York
Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 7:10 pm Post subject:
Should I pretend I remembered if a class I've never played had hate transfer? Or that I've been running raids for more than 2 months?
When I don't know something I ask. I don't go look it up or rack my brain... you know why? Because almost every time I've ever asked a question someone here is willing to answer instantly... (its called being a guild mate or a friend) and sometimes quicker than I can recall things. Especially if I'm run down and tired.
As for people agreeing with you on problems the guild has.... thats great; have you ever perosnally talked to me about any of them? I can undertstand how someone would skip that step and go right to creating a plot to put themself in a position of power. Its all so logical. From what I've heard a lot of the "problems" you talked to poeple about were dependant on WHO you were talking to. Convenient.
I forgave you once when I could have vetoed your return and I didn't. I will never forgive you again. You clearly have 0 respect for me or the effort I've put in here.
As far as I'm concerned your no better than your little friend. In fact, he may have saved our guild with his extreme stupidity. Thats another thing... your calling me out on not knowing a brig buff 1 time... and your friends with vanero.
I do expect you to be flailing about the server for a little while longer, so good luck with that and if you have any messages for me just amend them to the tells you're sending my guild mates. I'll get it quicker than coming to the forum. _________________ KMFDM - Anarchy.mp3
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Well Vage was booted from Crimson so they obviously didn't like the way he went about this either. Just thought I'd throw that one out there. If a merge happened, wouldn't have to worry about him.
I just don't get it. I'm all the sudden apparently an asshole and such a big backstabber when I know Shook, Solberg, Melodee, Rackem, Fio and quite a few others were on the same page as me. They agreed with my opinions for the most part, and the only thing that separates me from them, is my toon was de-guilded because of Vage. So if you are calling me out, you might want to rethink how many other members agreed with me, and that you are guilded with equivilant "assholes" or whatever you called me.
Yes Vage did deguild me so I can speak freely now, and I'm sure these people would too if they were guildless.
Joined: Mar 04, 2006 Posts: 1036 Location: New York
Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 7:39 pm Post subject:
Actions speak louder than words. When the cards were down. No one left and I even flipped out when the shit went down. Only voices I remember heearing were those who had my back trying to calm me down.
The reality is people have problems in this guild... always will. If someone comes along and makes the effort to convince people theres a better way some people will believe. Its not hard to play on their doubts.
Perhaps they realized they were going to be following a liar? If they didn't then they should now. Or like i said... perhaps vanero saved me by being a moron? Regardless. You've been proven a snake. Again.
I forgave you once, just like I forgive anyone who wanted to leave but is willing to stay. Lord knows these guys have forgiven me for a lot. _________________ KMFDM - Anarchy.mp3
First of all, how can my actions speak louder than my words? I have had no actions.. unless you were referring that to Vage. Since he was the one who clearly had everything to do with calling you out on Sat. raid. I wasn't even there.
Secondly, how am I a snake? I know what it takes to even obtain a mythical. I'm being realistic here. Vox won't see mythicals unless a big change happens, and apparently happy family > mythicals and having a chance at Avatars.
Sigh, why do I even try? If someone doesn't understand the game this far into EQ2, they never will.
Wtb a solid raid force on Vox. I have a lot of respect for 10-12 Reckoning players even though I lost a little bit when this all happened. To you guys: you know what it's going to take. It's only a matter of time before you realize this server won't go anywhere unless you do something about it.
Joined: Mar 04, 2006 Posts: 1036 Location: New York
Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 8:26 pm Post subject:
The actions of the people who we're supposed to back you. Your actions became clear after all of your buds sold you out as soon as vanro did it. Every single person I talked to pointed at you.
Your game kowledge from being a nobody on blue server guilds has nothing to do with that fact that you are a social snake.
It amazes me that someone who has been so exposed still has the balls to come here and pretend to be righteous. If anyone from reckoning joins you after reading this entire thread..... they deserve to have you as a guildmate. _________________ KMFDM - Anarchy.mp3
Joined: Feb 16, 2006 Posts: 2184 Location: New Orleans
Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 11:21 pm Post subject:
What i don't get, and i didn't get when you did it before, is why on earth are you fooling with poor little incompetent Vox if the blue servers do it so much better, and you can go and get your mythicals there? You talk about other servers like they are the cream of the crop, and so much better, why the fuck do you keep on coming back? _________________
If you love me, cross your heart and hope that i won't die before the best day of my life.
Who NPU who gets all their crap handed to them on a plate by dev's and then doles out the strats to other bluebies?
Sorry, now that I got that out of the way I'll say my piece. I think trying to break up a guild into some other uber guild is questionable shit at best. I also thin doing it on the sly is weak. If you want to play the game how you want to play the game be straight about, not just you but anyone. YOU pay for it, it is YOUR time, if you aren't happy with shit there's nobody at fault but yourself.
I've always been straight up with guilds I'm not happy with and if someone gets bent out of shape, fuck 'em, they aren't playing this game for me. But I sure as hell wouldn't try to ruin the whole thing behind the scenes. Every guild I've ever elft I've talked to whoever the guild leader was and told theme exactly why I was going and went.
And I am glad to say I am on good terms with just about every single person I've been in a guild with and could go back to any of them at any time due to that style of being straight.
But now I've wandered off the point of what i wanted to say, and that is wtf were you thinking trying to create a 3rd exile "uber" guild? The population of vox keeps dwindling and both guilds are stretched a bit thin, so pull players from Reck and from Crimson and what do you have?
3 gimp guilds that can't do shit. Or better you pull in some of the dregs of mayhem and pdm and suffer through that bullshit.
Now I know this may seem like a big pile of wtfever on my part considering I barely even log into Vox, but I wanted to join reckoning when I did for a reason, and that's because it was hands down the best shit going on Vox and still can maintain that. I wish my work schedule allowed me more time to actually get to any raids or do much of anything, but I'm glad I got to be active in this guild for the month or so I was.
Joined: Sep 14, 2006 Posts: 146 Location: New York
Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 7:14 am Post subject:
Rrawyx wrote:
Wow, okay Vage and I see very differently on this topic. I don't want to ruin a guild, I want to merge guilds. HE wants to destroy reckoning. I want Vox to be up on the charts and get somewhere. He just plays Jaid's toon and hopes he can cause a riot.
Was I content that my toons were all unguilded when I came home Saturday night? Not really. It irritated me actually.
The people who did just post about how stupid Vage is, and how stupid I am.. are correct. He did go about this the wrong way and I have to pay the consequences because I let him on my character. However, I know a lot of the better players in Reckoning do agree with what I have posted on these boards.
For the record, you can't compare anything to The Chosen. That was 3 or 4 good solid players, and the rest kindred (helmets). My dream is to get 24 solid players. That won't happen with the stubborn family praising people on Vox.
You can call me a douche bag. But I have been more than nice to sooo many people. Besides now, I can't think of a time where I have started any drama. Keep the flames coming though.
Joined: Aug 23, 2006 Posts: 463 Location: New York
Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 6:29 pm Post subject:
Gaglaak wrote:
Rrawyx wrote:
Wow, okay Vage and I see very differently on this topic. I don't want to ruin a guild, I want to merge guilds. HE wants to destroy reckoning. I want Vox to be up on the charts and get somewhere. He just plays Jaid's toon and hopes he can cause a riot.
Was I content that my toons were all unguilded when I came home Saturday night? Not really. It irritated me actually.
The people who did just post about how stupid Vage is, and how stupid I am.. are correct. He did go about this the wrong way and I have to pay the consequences because I let him on my character. However, I know a lot of the better players in Reckoning do agree with what I have posted on these boards.
For the record, you can't compare anything to The Chosen. That was 3 or 4 good solid players, and the rest kindred (helmets). My dream is to get 24 solid players. That won't happen with the stubborn family praising people on Vox.
"Do brigands have hate transfer?"
You two are douchebags and you always will be.
Some people shouldn't be given the right to speak.
I noticed a discussion was going on without my involvement and it made me sad
Rrawyx and Vage, I've personally "coereced" literally thousands of people into joining my previous guilds, Kcirtap can tell you of the disgustingly well constructed tactics by which I've employed many times myself to get people going in my direction. This unfortunately worked to your disadvantage. I for one, and was not the only one, who immediately saw through exactly what was happening with this poorly executed plan on Saturday night, and was very vocal about it to Enviktus. Luckily I am currently in the transition of getting my friend an 80 Erudite Wizard to play for Reckoning, as well as working on recruitment for some of our other slots. The slots will be filled, you can be assured of that.
Over the years I have been playing I have been extremely good at persuading people and be sure, Reckoning is neither in trouble nor will be any time soon. The top guild of a server has nothing to fear from dissent, they dictate strength.
From what I have read there was some discussion between Shook, Fionali and Rrawyx / Vage. While I know nothing of this offhand (which is somewhat a testament of your plans failure, me being one of these "better" players,) it has been evident for some time that a slight amount of unrest has been in Reckoning. This unrest is mostly caused as a matter of time, and coincedence rather than anything else. The age bracket for this guild dictates that work schedules and real life obligations will occasionally and for a considerable duration conflict with raiding progress. This problem is further emphasized by it being a PvP server, which have and always will be behind "blue" servers because of the inevitable timesinks into PvP.
While I sincerely enjoy the company of Shook and Fionali and have tremendously funny times with both of them, the backbone of a revolt shouldn't be placed on a 20 year old first character Wizard and well played Fury. I do understand that the intent was to sway Kcirtap and Dyscordia along with them, however I can assure you that this attempt was quite poor as they would in all possibility stay even if Fionali and Shook had sided with you. Especially when you compound the notion of having yourself or Vage leading such more experienced and intelligent players as ourselves. In all reality, if something such as that were to occur, what would stop people such as Kcirtap and I from leading it ourselves, being the more prominent and capable figures?
I do care for Shook and Fionali and do not want to put them down in any sense, but am trying to highlight the context of this foolishness. I hope the two of them are with us for quite some time and dismiss any hastey words they express in their opinions about this guild they may say privately as simply that.
In regards to Reckoning;
Reckoning has been for quite some time now, an imperfect raiding guild. This does not concern me, nor should it anyone else. We have, by far, the most talented members in this guild on the server, period. We will, over time, aquire all the classes and players we inevitably need. The only thing standing in the way of this fact, as with many guilds, is the consideration of breaking up to "try something new."
There is not, nor has been, any extension to merge with Crimson, or any other guild. The reason for this is that the quality and reliability of many of their players is well known, and is undesireable.
It is true, that our guild leader Enviktus, can be criticized in many ways. He is passionate over the guild, often times to a fault that isn't expressed as strongly as in times of criticism. Many of us would like him to be online during times other than the raids. However, with these considerations, he has proven to be extremely reliable and forthcoming.
The reliability of a Leader is often times the shortcoming of most guilds. I for one, do not consider people such as Vage, or Proh, or anyone who would reasonably associate with them, to be characters of reliability or skill. The very best players do not need to continually disband guilds, nor try to make them collapse. The very best players are skilled and reliable to the extent by which dictates that people are drawn to them. This why I am in reckoning, and this is why you are neither in Reckoning, nor any other successful guild.
This "Family environment" you speak of, is the consideration by most of our members that, progress is being made provided circumstances are adequate. When our player base is regular, our progress is unhindered, and with our maturity level and age of this guild, vacations and obligations causing stagnation for a short time is expected. Even with these issues in mind, we are still by a good margin the best on this server, drawing more attention to the deficiencies of the other guilds.
I am confident, that within a very short time, your spot Rrawyx will be filled as well as anyone else who would like to leave. Starting from scratch with unreliable leadership and members is more difficult in actuality rather than sitting around and idealizing about the possible gains. Reckoning has not yet peaked out, and we will be progressing rapidly again very shortly.
Next time you guys try a rebellion, start with a Coercer you'll get a lot further
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