Um..

shooK · Level 7 Joined: Oct 20, 2006 Posts: 159

Not sure why you're not allowing Amy back into Reckoning, when you just took Nerah back in. Nerah left for the exact same reasons Amy did. Amy has been nothing but good to you guys, yet you still say no? She was there for you guys just as much as you were there yet you keep throwing in her face that you guys were SUCH great friends to her like she did nothing for any of you. I know for a fact dysco that she was there thru SEVERAL of YOUR little problems with certain people.

Or is it because Dyscordia says no, and she's just being a cunt about it because Amy chose me over her? Dyscordia would have left if her lo... i mean friend Kcirtap left. Do tell me why Nerah is so forgivable when she left more than once yet Amy? Can you be THAT butthurt to someone who genuinely cared for you all up until the past few days and did nothing but talk you all up. You all are pathetic.

Gromann · Posted: Mon Jun 02, 2008 11:38 pm Post subject:

I wasn't involved in the decision, but from an outside perspective I'd say it has something to do with just leaving and ignoring everyone that might try to talk to her about it. You should still have access to THIS and each case is handled individually.

Its one thing to leave because you left, simply make a post saying "hey I've got to support my man, no hard feelings." would have been more then sufficient. She bounced out, went through her instant messenger list and "blocked" a bunch of people so she didn't have to hear anything about her decision.

The other factor is that you're attached to her, you probably have access to her account, and simply being associated with someone who has done such toolish things warrants a little "guilty by association" treatment.

Maybe if she had a 1 on 1 with Dyscordia, Kcirtap or Sawbones and tried to iron out some differences(she may have, I wouldn't know) she might get a bit further then you coming here to tell everyone what an asshole they are, and slip out little details that you know and might possibly be used against someone. Wise up Shook, you're a grown ass man whether you live with your parents or not, start acting like it.
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shooK · Level 7 Joined: Oct 20, 2006 Posts: 159

What details might I know? Do tell, because some people might be interested in knowing.

Gromann · Posted: Mon Jun 02, 2008 11:51 pm Post subject:

Exactly my point shook, you're sitting here threatening to drop details that "might" get someone into an argument as a way of persuading the officers into letting Fio(and you for that matter) back into Reckoning. Get off it man, you're old news. Grow the fuck up.
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shooK · Level 7 Joined: Oct 20, 2006 Posts: 159

I'm actually not interesting in joining. I'm rolling on Guk so I can actually see end game content, which will never happen on Vox. The guild is gonna fall apart, I guarantee it.

And I didn't threaten to be honest. But hey~

Gromann · Posted: Mon Jun 02, 2008 11:55 pm Post subject:

See end game content? Thats what Crimson was right? I see how well that worked out for you.

And people like you have claimed Karma/Reckoning was going to "fall apart" before, yet it is the longest running guild on Vox, with a creation rank of 1.
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Fionali · Level 2 Joined: Jul 02, 2007 Posts: 31

I don't want anyone thinking that I want any kind of "info" or whatever used as a way to get me back in Reckoning. Im fine not joining. I only found it unfair that a person who had left at the same time I did and for the same reason was given a vote and an acceptance but I couldn't even get a vote. Which is fine.

I won't waste anyone else's time.

And for the record yes I blocked most people because of the horrid tells and messages I had gotten for leaving. I did talk to Pat about the why's and what's of me leaving and Dyscordia knew them as well. They know deep down that I didn't leave to hurt anyone intentionally.

Good luck.

Fionali

Gromann · Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 12:08 am Post subject:

The difference between you and Nerah was that you built fairly strong relationships with the members of this guild over a year. You were a friend that people could talk to, and you were almost always around. On a whim, not even an hour after telling people that there was no way in hell you were actually going to leave, you dropped tag. That kind of betrayal hurts a lot more then a relatively new member that kept to herself and her small group of friends(most of whom left too) bailing to play with them.

All votes for returning members are to be done by the officers, and then with the membership at the officers' discretion. Nerah got a vote because the officers felt the membership should decide. You didn't because the decision of the officers was satisfactory enough to make a final decision. Lots of bridges were burned with the last exodus, from what I can see only the small ones were rebuilt.
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Gromann · Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 12:09 am Post subject:

And for the record, since edit rights seem to be non-existent.

You might not want that info being used on your behalf, but Shook is sure as hell trying to do just that. Its his behavior that is guaranteeing that you will never get back into Reckoning, he just doesn't know when to keep his mouth shut.
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Fionali · Level 2 Joined: Jul 02, 2007 Posts: 31

I said it was fine. I didn't post for an argument. Was just saying my end of things. It doesn't have to be liked it's just how I feel.

As for Shook, I'm going to say this one more time so people know...I'm NOT his mother and I can't stop what he says or does. If I don't get into Reckoning then there isn't much more I can say to that now can I? He is his own person and what he says or does has to be taken up with him.

Oh, and since again we can't edit. I may not have posted a goodbye on the forums, but before I left I did type out explaining my reasonings and Vik said "we don't want to hear yur reasons for being a traitor. Just get out." or something to that effect. I'm sure there were more typos and rude words said.

I'm done posting here. Sorry.

Envictus · Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 1:05 am Post subject:

Fionali wrote:

Vik said "we don't want to hear yur reasons for being a traitor. Just get out." or something to that effect.

lie.

I have msn logs if we want to go there.
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sawbones · Sr. Officer Joined: Sep 07, 2006 Posts: 178

first of all shook it is none of your business who we let in this guild.the reasons for taking nerah back again is none of your fucking business.as guild leaders we made the choice to not let fio back in,that is the only thing you need to know.as you can see shook you are not a well liked person in this guild.you coming on our site and calling people in this guild names will get you nothing.so why don't you just take your greedy ass to guk server.we want nothing to do with you.

Envictus · Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 2:21 am Post subject:

I know some of you might look down on me for posting private conversations but to be quite honest I'm sick of fingerpointing poeple who can't take responsibility for thier actions (Currently in and out of reckoning) taking their bullshit out on me. Becasue I'm "mean" people tend to hear what they want.

Heres the logs regarding fios knowledge of some sort of subversion and not sharing the information with me and then me having to PUSH her into calling rrawx on his lie of pretending to not know anything in the original thread. When 3 of his compatriots had already ratted him. Theres more before it, but this is the part where I would say I'm being the meanest and is the last thing I say before they leave.

Its basically me flipping out at her after I find out Melodee has the betrayal quest ready to complete and is CAMPPED at the final NPC.

There is one edit to remove somthing for fio and shooks benefit, not mine.

Quote:

(1:16 PM) Craig: somone who would know osmthing liek that EVNEN FOR A DAY and not tell me becuyase you know fuckign what if i knew somone was going ot betray you or tlaked about it the FISRT fucking thing I would do is come to you
(1:16 PM) Craig: clearly thats not the case the other way around and i thoguht it was
(1:16 PM) Craig: not wait till it was over then CLAIM your gonna back somone up and NOT do it
(1:17 PM) Craig: saying you wont let osmone take the heat then have to be BEGGED almost 12 hours later to actually do it
(1:17 PM) Craig: and STILL attack the guild in the "support"
(1:17 PM) Craig: so you can say I have no right to "attack" you but thats bullshit; you apaoloigized so you knew you did somthing wrong
(1:18 PM) Craig: but maybe IM relizing forgiving you may not be so easy; you had no right to keep subverson quiet to me and claim to be my friend so lets talk about who has hte right to do what
(1:20 PM) Craig: yea don't say antyhing
(1:20 PM) Craig: but game is not worth more than pride and friendship somthing all this stuff has made me question

*Sook drops tag at around 7:50PM (6 hours after that conversation with fio)*
(I can post my logs with him if required as well... those are also intersting but they involve no chastizing from me. I simply pretended to ask him about targets for that night. Then I ask him "so your not leaving the guild tonight" and he drops tag.)

Quote:

(7:57 PM) Craig: you going too?
(7:57 PM) Amy: i dont know...im kind of fucked up atm sry
(7:58 PM) Amy: he is the reasom i exiled at all
(7:58 PM) Craig: yea. Well (SECTION REMOVED SINCE IM NOT A TOTAL SCUMBAG) hes betrayed me after being her over a year. if thats your choice so be it. he thinks hes better than eveyone and you cant change that.
(7:59 PM) Craig: he was lying to me directly in MSN up untill he dropped gilld when I asked him one final time point blank

*fio drops tag*

Trust me I would never tell you to "get out". if I wanted somone out I would use the kick button. People here can't respect being called out on thier shitty actions by me... thats fine. I chose not to play anymore, but you all need to stop invoking me or ANYONE else as the reason for your failures and stupid decisions. Its not like they don't notice you're only back here AFTER crimson completly fell apart.

Its so empty and fake; Then again its not like thier aren't people still inside reckoning who arent as well.
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Kcirtap · Officer Joined: Aug 23, 2006 Posts: 463 Location: New York

Vik can I respectfully ask you to lock this thread? I don't think any more bashing one way or another will help. People have made their opinions of one another and between all the shit flinging and lies that get tossed around it's impossible to differentiate the lies from the truth.

This meaningless banter needs to stop, it's gone on for too long. Any personal problems people have with one another should be taken up in private instead of on a public forum, nobody wants this drama or attention.

Prizmatic · Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 4:11 am Post subject:

Grom, Bro!!! Vik Bro!!!! Goddam I miss you 2!!!!!!
Very well said! Couldnt of said it better! Tho I would of Put the, Prizmatic said he needs and few whores in there just for kicks! :)
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